Fox News host Greg Gutfeld and Jessica Tarlov locked horns in a fiery exchange on “The Five” over the federal indictment of the nonprofit Southern Poverty Law Center.
Tarlov argued that America has a “white supremacy problem” despite what some are saying, and seemed not to understand why the Justice Department announced an 11-count indictment against the SPLC. As the debate escalated with an argument that the 2017 “Unite the Right” event in Charlottesville, Va., “was a psy-op,” Gutfeld did not hold back.
“But the indictment itself is being spun by people who want to argue what you are arguing, Jesse—that we just all love each other and we don’t have a white supremacy problem, that it’s manufactured, that these hate crimes were staged, that right-wing protests were fake,” Tarlov argued. “Just because one informant within the organization that put together the ‘Unite the Right’ rally was being paid by the SPLC, does not mean it was fake. Hundreds of white supremacists showed up.”
HOLY SMOKES! 🔥🔥
Gutfeld just ripped Jessica Tarlov to shreds on The Five about the SPLC. She’s still claiming the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville was completely real and organic, even though it’s been proved the whole thing was funded.
This is hands-down the best… pic.twitter.com/fYmBunQZew
— Gina Milan (@ginamilan_) April 23, 2026
“That doesn’t mean it was all fake. It’s true somewhere that that’s the argument. Whenever there is a hate crime hoax,” Gutfeld said before his liberal co-host interrupted to demand, “What hate crime hoax?”
“Jussie Smollett, anyone? How about the banana peel on the bench? How about the noose at the racetrack?” Gutfeld replied.
“What hoax have you actually seen here?” Tarlov demanded. “You don’t think hundreds of people showed up at the ‘Unite the Right’ rally who weren’t this informant or persuaded by whatever vehicle got them there?”
“You think there weren’t white supremacists there? That it’s not real?” she continued. “Three Percenters, Oathkeepers, Proud Boys. You think they’re all fake?”
“All I know is I never heard of it until the day that it happened. You act like you can take the word for a bunch of corrupt people,” Gutfeld replied, speaking of the Charlottesville rally.
As Tarlov continued to rant about how “white supremacists are real.” Gutfeld delivered a truth bomb.
“Yes, there is probably a bigot somewhere—but you guys created this ‘false flag’ that there was an immense white supremacist movement going on in this country, and that put targets on people like Charlie Kirk’s back, and he’s dead now. And a lot of other people were either threatened or physically attacked because of a false flag, which basically painted millions of people as ‘white supremacists.’ You guys ran with it,” he said.
“I hope that this thing mends, but I don’t know, because there are people like you, Jessica, who have such a sunk cost in this belief—a belief you were tricked into believing—that there is always all these racists hiding behind every Cracker Barrel,” Gutfeld continued.
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Originally from New York, Powers graduated from New York University and eventually made her way to sunny South Florida. Powers also contributes to BizPac Review.
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