Rand Paul hammers Moderna CEO on jab safety: ‘The fact you can’t say it in public is quite disturbing’

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) leveled Moderna CEO Stéphane Bancel over the safety and efficacy of the COVID vaccine and its risk of myocarditis to young males during a heated and contentious committee hearing over the company’s skyrocketing price for the jab.

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Paul brought up the massive increase in price for the vaccine and then questioned Bancel over a conflict of interest in connection to those who recommended additional boosters and then profited from the sale of them. He then turned to the myocarditis issue and called the CEO out over it.

The senator wasted no time in asking Bancel whether there was a higher incidence of myocarditis “among adolescent males 16 to 24” who take the vaccine.

The Moderna head began to bluster that his company takes safety seriously when Paul interjected and told him that it’s “pretty much a yes or no.”

“Is there a higher incidence of myocarditis among boys, 16 to 24, after they take your vaccine?” the senator reiterated.

Bancel made the tactical mistake of telling Paul that the “data” he’s seen shows “there’s less myocarditis for people who get the vaccine versus who gets COVID infection.”

“You’re saying that for ages 16 to 24, among males who take the COVID vaccine, their risk of myocarditis is less than people who get the disease?” Paul asked him.

Bancel affirmed that premise.

That is not true,” Paul stated calling Bancel out. “I’d like to enter into the record six peer-reviewed papers from the Journal of Vaccine, the Annals of Medicine that say the complete opposite of what you say. I also spoke with your president just last week, and he readily acknowledged in private that, yes, there is an increased risk of myocarditis. The fact that you can’t say it in public is quite disturbing. Do you think it’s scientifically sound to mandate three vaccines for adolescent boys?”

“You’ve been advocating for it. You’ve been interviewed and you’ve been advocating for boosters. Do you know when the myocarditis is most common among these adolescent boys? After the second dose. When I spoke with your president, he readily acknowledged in private, yeah, that maybe there ought to be a discussion whether we ought to have one vaccine versus two versus three,” the senator said, blasting the CEO.

The Kentucky senator continued to hammer Bancel over his company’s stance on the issue.

“If 90% of the myocarditis comes after the second dose, why don’t we have a rational discussion about one? Marty Makary, a physician from Johns Hopkins, has said exactly the same thing. It’s been discussed, and yet we have this ridiculous notion from the CDC. So the CDC says and I’ll ask you this question, let’s start it as a question,” Paul continued.

“Your sixteen-year-old had COVID. Your 16-year-old gets better and now has recovered from COVID. You vaccinate them and they get myocarditis. Are you going to give them two more vaccines, your child, give him two more vaccines?” he asked.

Bancel replied that he wasn’t a clinician and Paul asked him about vaccinating his own children. Bancel said he has done so three or four times.

“Three or four times. We follow the CDC recommendations this. And, you know, you’re obviously someone who’s self-interested in the outcome here. But the CDC says that if you’re a 15, 16 year old, gets COVID, recovers, takes a vaccine and gets myocarditis, is hospitalized with elevated heart enzymes, and is very sick, the CDC says, as soon as he gets better, vaccinate him again,” Paul railed.

“Do you know how many American parents think that that’s a rational, reasonable thing to do? Do you know how many countries don’t do this for children? Sweden doesn’t offer the vaccine for kids under 12 unless they’re at risk for severe disease. And I agree with that. I’m not saying never on any of this. I think it’s a very reasonable position to say kids at risk or have some diseases that there may be a reason for vaccinating some children,” the senator stated.

“Finland doesn’t recommend it for under 12 months. Norway also. England as well. France, Poland, Germany, Switzerland, and all vaccinate 12 and up. So we’ve got half the world who have looked at these studies. There’s a study in Israel of thousands of patients, and yet you sit here and act as if you’ve never heard of myocarditis and you don’t think it’s an increased risk for young adolescent males when all of the studies who isolate out people by age have found that, yes, there’s an increased risk after taking your vaccine. Pfizer, too, but worse with Moderna,” Paul noted.

Bancel asserted that there is an increased risk but that he was comparing it to somebody who gets COVID.

“Well, that’s also not true either. But there is an increased risk of getting it. But even they compared to the disease, there are many papers out there who do, that do show that there’s more of a risk of myocarditis after vaccination. So you have to weigh the risks and balances. And you are right, you’re going to make less money. Because you’re going to try, they’re already trying, the CDC has got it on their schedules,” Paul charged.

“They’re going to try to force all the kids in America to do this through school. But guess what? Parents aren’t going to do it. They’ve seen that COVID is not deadly in children. And you’re right, it’s become less deadly over time. Your market’s going down. So you aren’t going to make as much money,” the senator told Bancel.

“I’m all for you making money in an honest way. But I don’t like the idea that the people making the decisions in government are also receiving money and are now conflicted in their interest,” he concluded.


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