Rare conservative CNN guest schools Van Jones on why child conceived in violence deserves life

Carrie Sheffield, a conservative policy analyst and journalist, clashed with CNN commentator Van Jones over her belief that whether conceived in violence or love, an innocent child should be spared from abortion.

Calling Sheffield’s position “despicable,” Jones cited the exceptionally rare case where a rapist is granted visitation rights to a child he fathered while sexually assaulting a woman.

“You’re going to get what you are asking for and you may not like it,” Jones said, in a discussion on the Supreme Court overthrowing Roe v. Wade. “A year from now, there are going to be rapists who have women who have been forced to have their children – those rapists are then going to say, ‘I have a right to see that child.’ There are child molesters who are going to be saying, ‘I have a right to see the child created by my molestation.’ You’re gonna get what you want, but I don’t think you’re going to like it as much as you think.”

“And you’re going to have people now — this is no longer going to be theoretical. This is going to be a living nightmare for millions of American families,” he continued. “There are people right now, young women, who are packing their bags getting ready to go to college right now, who we know statistically are going to be raped. And your answer to them is, ‘Enjoy your pregnancy.’ That is despicable. It is wrong.”

A clearly outnumbered Sheffield pushed back to say, “Please show me — give me the name of a judge who would allow visitation custody in this situation. I can’t think a judge who would say — “

“You just made the case,” Jones interjected.

“No, no, no, there’s a difference between allowing a child — I’m talking about preventing an abortion. That’s what I’m talking about,” she countered. “That’s all I’m talking about. Did I say anything about visitation?”

Jones responded with a rather interesting take, telling Sheffield, “You have to eat the whole hamburger here.”

CNN host Sara Sidner then asked her conservative guest, “I think there are nine states that do not allow an exception for abortion, for rape and incest. Do you agree with that?”

“I agree with that,” Sheffield replied. “Because it’s a human life. Whether a human life is conceived in violence or in love, it is still an act of violence to commit murder of that innocent child.”

She repeated her earlier point that she doesn’t agree with a rapist getting visitation rights, telling Jones he was falling back on a “talking point.”

“It’s not a talking point! I’m listening to you,” he protested. “I’m taking your talking points to the logical conclusion.”

Sheffield countered to say “any male who impregnates a woman should not aid and abet the abortion of the woman. That’s my point.”

“I don’t mean to be rude here. It’s already the law that if I impregnate a woman and she has the child, that I’m responsible for that child. And you have a lot of dads right now who are considered deadbeat dads because they’re not doing that,” Jones said. “The law is on the side of the women in that situation. So, don’t position yourself as somebody who’s somehow fixing a problem here. Men who impregnate women are responsible. But this is something very, very different.”

He went on to push what is clearly the prescribed talking points on Roe, which is to question the legitimacy of the Supreme Court while presenting a worst-case scenario.

“The Supreme Court is no longer respected. You would agree with me that Congress is no longer respected. The presidency, people say he’s not duly elected,” Jones said. “Where is the legitimacy now for us to resolve something like this? A bomb has been thrown in the middle of this country, and you’re not going to like the outcome.”


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