Inside the courtroom: Tucker talks with Julian Assange’s wife about what’s really going on

According to Stella Assange, wife of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, the United Kingdom, where her husband has been held without charge for years in London’s Belmarsh Prison, is a “lapdog” and a “willing participant” in the illegal efforts to extradite Julian to the United States.

And, according to Tucker Carlson, there’s at least one “dangerous” US politician who belongs in prison for his “obsessive” pursuit of the persecuted publisher.

“The UK views itself as a lapdog,” Stella told Carlson. “I mean, it was obvious in court at one point.”

“One of the judges asked the US, ‘Well, if your argument is that if the Home Secretary sees that the US .issued this extradition request, and that it’s wrong on the face of it, that she wouldn’t be able to do anything,'” she explained. “And the US lawyers said, ‘Yeah, that’s precisely right. It’s completely lopsided. The US can do whatever it wants, basically.’ And that was part of their argument.”

“Basically what they were saying was, you have to take the statements of these prosecutors at face value,” Stella said. “‘You don’t want to offend the United States, our ally. You would be implying that the prosecutors were lying, and, of course, that would never be the case.’ So, they were trying to convince the court that they should just take it all at face value.”

The stakes for Julian couldn’t be any higher.

If extradited to the United States, Carlson explained at the opening of the interview, the publisher would “wind up in a supermax prison, never be heard from again until he dies.”

The United States government so despises Assange, Carlson reported, that former CIA Director Mike Pompeo “discussed murdering him in the Ecuadorian embassy in London, where he was seeking asylum.”

“Mike Pompeo has never been charged for that, which is a crime,” the independent host said. “Unelected bureaucrats can’t just murder people they don’t like. And he probably never will be charged with a crime.”

In November, Carlson made headlines when he met with Stella in London and visited Julian at Belmarsh, where no cameras or recording devices are allowed.

Following the visit, Carlson shared with viewers what Julian had to say about the US government’s hatred of him.

“He said he first became famous when WikiLeaks published documents and videos that the US government had kept secret from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They were gravely embarrassing to the Pentagon. But that’s that wasn’t the red line,” Carlson said. “The red line was several years later, when WikiLeaks published information about surveillance by the CIA.”

The journalist said he was “struck” by Julian’s sincerity when he said he was not aware of anyone who has been harmed or killed as a result of his publishing.

“He said it in a sincere way,” Carlson said. “Like, by the way, I think if people were killed because of his publishing, because of the stories that he put online, he would feel bad about it. I mean, he seems like a humane person. He withheld information about the CIA because he didn’t want to get people hurt.”

“Inside the courtroom, it’s like they’re running two parallel cases,” Stella told Carlson in the Wednesday interview.

“I mean, we’re running the case, the true reality, which is that Julian the journalist that exposed the wrongdoing of the country that’s trying to extradite him, and the US is just trying to attack Julian with all sorts of nonsense,” she said.

“The UK is, a willing participant,” Stella continued. “Of course, his imprisonment has gone for so long. He’s been in Belmarsh high-security prison for almost five years. But before that, in the Ecuadorian embassy in the heart of London. And during this time, when he was in the embassy, it was surrounded by British police. They were spending something like millions and millions — I think it was 5 million pounds a year on surrounding the embassy. And he was not charged with a crime at the time.”

“It was a it was a show of force,” she said “to show, the United States that they were showing their allegiance, basically. And that’s how we’ve had this lawlessness for over a decade to hound Julian.”

Carlson tore into Pompeo, asking Stella if she found it surprising that the “neocon former CIA director who plotted to murder your husband, who had not been charged with anything in the U.S. at that point” was “allowed to continue to be prominent in the United States.”

“He ran for president, after that,” Carlson said. “And no one in the American media has said anything about it, really, with a few exceptions. But no one even mentioned that he tried to murder your husband.”

“What did you think of that?” he asked.

“I think the CIA is a rouge organization that everyone, on every level of the U.S. politics, is terrified of,” Stella replied. “They are trained to assassinate. They are trained to fabricate information and place it in the media and conduct propaganda warfare to overthrow governments, and so on. And not just abroad. It seems there is a credible case that they’ve done so domestically, too.”

“Looking at this objectively, you think, ‘Well, what on earth is this?'” she continued. “There’s a whole spiel about US democracy, and the CIA is an agency that has caused all sorts of trouble for many countries all over the world, but also, domestically, they are a force for destabilization and kompromat. And Mike Pompeo’s ability to move around Washington without consequence, I don’t think is because of his attractiveness to the Washington circles, but rather, he’s seen as a dangerous person.”

People within Pompeo’s agency, Stella recalled, had said that he had “lost the plot” and had become “obsessed” with her husband, adding that she was “thankful” for those within the CIA who spoke out about his behavior.

“He is a dangerous person,” Carlson agreed. “He should be in prison. And it’s just striking that so few journalists ask him about that. None, so far as I know.”

Should Julian be extradited, Stella is hopeful that he will be freed.

The Constitution along with America’s “vibrant culture of opposition to centralized power” will “go out the window with this case,” she said.

“Any president who actually values these traditional, constitutional protections, should free Julian in whatever form that takes,” Stella said. “If it’s a pardon, then, you know, I welcome it.”

“I frankly, I don’t care how he’s freed,” she stated. “He just needs to be freed. The corruption and the lawlessness around Julian’s case, it’s politically motivated. It’s rotten to the core.”

“All of that is self-evident,” Stella Assange said. “And whatever happens, as long as Julian’s free, you know, everything else is secondary as far as I’m concerned.”

Following a two-day extradition hearing, “judges in the United Kingdom’s High Court announced that they will wait before releasing their ruling on the extradition of Wikileaks founder Julian Assange to the United States,” NBC News reports. “No decision is expected before March 4 at the earliest.”

Melissa Fine

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