Catherine Engelbrecht, president and founder of True the Vote (TTV), testified alongside Gregg Phillips before the Wisconsin State Legislature’s Assembly Committee on Campaigns and Elections suggesting their investigation found a significant likelihood that over 137,000 ballots were trafficked in the state of Wisconsin alone during the 2020 presidential election, a state President Joe Biden won by less than 21,000 votes.
Since 2009, Engelbrecht has worked with her non-profit organization to “keep elections free and fair” through voter registration initiatives and by supporting election reform measures across the United States. Stating, “Election integrity requires constant engagement,” True the Vote has remained skeptical of some of the practices that were engaged in during the 2020 election and has been investigating the matter.
On March 24, Engelbrecht and Phillips sat before the Campaigns and Elections Committee where they explained why they believe that seven percent of Wisconsin ballots that were submitted through ballot drop boxes may have been fraudulent.
“TTV uses both video surveillance recording and geospatial data to track and analyze drop box traffic patterns…” their election integrity report reads. “Given the ubiquity of video surveillance and tracking in other applications, 24/7 video surveillance of drop box traffic would seem to be an expected rudimentary requirement of the Wisconsin Elections Commission and responsible local governments utilizing drop boxes.”
After filing open record requests, TTV acquired “25 terabytes of cell phone signal data” in Milwaukee County municipalities in one instance and found that “107 unique devices made (1) 20 or more visits to drop boxes (averaging 26 visits each, some as many as 10-15 per day) and (2) multiple visits to non-governmental organizations (“NGOs”) involved in get-out-the-vote efforts.”
Those 107 devices totaled 2,824 visits to the drop boxes, “with a majority of visits occurring after 8:00pm,” in this specific example.
As reported by Kenosha News, Engelbrecht stated, “I want to make very clear that we’re not suggesting that the ballots that were cast were illegal ballots.”
Milwaukee elections administrator Clair Woodall-Vogg argued that without TTV providing the data that they used to come to these conclusions, there is no way to verify their claims. “I have no idea,” Woodall-Vogg said, “because I haven’t seen their data broken down where we can actually analyze it.”
“I have no idea how tracking people’s cellphones work, but if they have the cellphone numbers, I could even confirm whether they’re an employee,” she added stating TTV may just have been compiling data on election staff doing their job.
Ann Jacobs, the Wisconsin Elections Commission’s Democratic chair, called it a “really bizarre reach” to use cellphone data near drop boxes to make these allegations.
However, Phillips went on to testify at the hearing that by TTV’s assessment as many as 4.8 million ballots may have been trafficked in the 2020 election.
As attorney James Bopp stated in his testimony before the Campaigns and Elections committee, “It serves zero legal purpose, and in my opinion, useful purpose, to be talking about doing some, like, decertification that is pointless,” according to Urban Milwaukee.
“It’s over. You can’t go back,” he added. “There is no mechanism, no provision, no anything that would have any practical legal effect.”
TTV will be continuing their investigations and seeking legal recourse for their findings as they intend to sign amicus briefs for suits being brought forth in Wisconsin and other states where concerns over election integrity loom.
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