Sparks fly when Sunny Hostin, medical expert clash over miscarriages: ‘Just a bunch of cells or a baby?’

An expert class clash pit one “The View” co-host at odds with The Science™ in a tense exchange over IVF and miscarriages.

(Video: ABC)

Semantically sanitizing barbarism has often remained the strategy for leftists seeking justification or disassociation for their policies using specialized terminology. Such a linguistic loophole was employed Friday when ABC News medical correspondent Dr. Jennifer Ashton found her reaction to an Alabama Supreme Court ruling receiving pushback from Sunny Hostin.

“If you look at science, however, science and medicine, what is transferred during that IVF procedure is called a blastocyst. That’s a big word for a ball of about 200 cells,” the board-certified OB/GYN asserted as she reacted to the ruling that found the Wrongful Death of a Minor act included “all unborn children, regardless of their location,” including frozen embryos at an in vitro fertilization clinic.

Ashton took a stance opposing the court and that couple that had filed suit over embryos that were allegedly destroyed by a patient in 2021 and continued, “When it is transferred into the uterus, there is no guarantee that those cells will continue to divide. There is no guarantee that that cell ball will attach to the wall of the uterus. There is no guarantee that it will implant, and there is no guarantee that a heartbeat will develop.”

She further went on to dismiss terms from the lay public and expressed a saying from the “world of assisted reproductive technology…and this is fact: an embryo does not necessarily equate to a live birth.”

Hostin, who had made her position against abortion without exception clear after the overturn of Roe v. Wade in June 2022, challenged the doctor with simple logic. “Does not equate to a live birth, but an embryo is not necessarily gonna become a puppy, right? An embryo’s going to be-”

“No, not going to be. That’s the point,” Ashton cut in as the co-host sparred back. “No, no, if it’s implanted and if it continues to grow.”

“Nope, but that’s a lot of ‘ifs’. There are many steps,” added the guest prompting Hostin to ask for clarity, “Does it become a child?”

“If, if, if, if, if, if,” the doctor reiterated. “And there are many, many steps along that process…every person is absolutely within their right to say, ‘When I first conceive of having a child mentally in my mind, that’s the moment’ — I respect that. That’s their opinion. But in medicine and science, that ball of cells is not guaranteed for any of the steps that follow.”

As one of the “lay public” that Ashton had derided for using terms like “a child, a fetus, an embryo” instead of her “ball of about 200 cells” descriptor, Hostin doubled down with further nuance to her position and contended, “But the other thing is, let’s say you have a miscarriage at two months. Have you miscarried just a bunch of cells or have you miscarried a baby?”

“It’s definitely not a baby,” came the callous response. “That’s an incorrect term and it’s also not a fetus.”

“But…some women feel that way,” the co-host remarked earning another swipe from The Science™, “That’s where we have to distinguish between medicine and facts and science and what you, or you, or you, or any patient, any woman, any couple believes. And we can’t try to make them the same thing.”

“So I think people who legislate should stay in their lane and people who go to school for four years and then do eight, 12, 10 years of professional training after that who have initials after their name in medicine in science, should handle the medical and scientific,” suggested Ashton before concluding, “That would be so nice, if the government were out of my uterus.”

Kevin Haggerty


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